Archive for the ‘Southern Baptists’ Category

>In a cave

November 18, 2010

>The Alabama Baptist Convention yesterday passed a resolution calling on President Obama to “abandon his efforts to normalize homosexuality in the United States Military.”

I don’t know what to say. Me? Speechless?

I mean, it’s to be expected from a group that doesn’t accept that science and medicine consider us normal and that, as their newly elected leader said yesterday, “are often characterized by what they condemn, such as homosexual behavior.”

If the Baptists would only treat homosexuality like Jesus did. Oh, wait. Jesus didn’t say anything about it. Not a single word. (Other than his interaction with this gay man). Are you listening, Baptists?

I am about ready to propose a resolution opposing Southern Baptists.

Since they seem to live in cave, metaphorically, I will send them this song.

Mumford and Sons – The Cave

So make your siren’s call
And sing all you want
I will not hear what you have to say

Cause I need freedom now
And I need to know how
To live my life as it’s meant to be

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>Southern Baptists oppose DADT repeal (no surprise)

June 19, 2010

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I looked back over the archives of this site and was quite surprised at how seldom I write about Southern Baptists. They are all around me, are mostly virulently homophobic, but in the last couple of years haven’t had much to say about the subject.

Part of that may be because they are realizing that the denomination is shrinking, (an article in the Birmingham News a few weeks ago pointed out that teen baptisms was down and so future growth of the denomination was in question) and during their “strategizing” haven’t wanted to seem too mean spirited (but when has that ever stopped them?).

Anyway, in today’s Birmingham News is an article titled “Baptists fear end of Don’t Ask” with the subtitle “Chaplains might lose freedom, group fears.”

It seems that Southern Baptists have more chaplains in the military (448) than any other denominations (Roman Catholic – 252, Assemblies of God – 119, United Methodist – 110, Seventh Day Adventist – 43, Mormon – 37, Orthodox – 25, United Church of Christ – 17, Islam -10, Judaism – 21, Buddhist -1).

The article says there are about 3,000 active-duty chaplains, so those numbers don’t add up. I think the “3,000” includes Reserve and National Guard chaplains, and the other numbers are just Department of Defense numbers.

Here’s the fear.

“Southern Baptists…have told Congress and the Pentagon that chaplains
could lose their freedom to preach and counsel against homosexuality if openly
gay members are accepted by the military.”

I’m thinking that if I’m in Afghanistan and am worried about an IED maiming me or knowing that the next day my unit is beginning a dangerous offensive in which I may be expected to take another person’s (terrorist, woman, child) life and I go to my chaplain for counseling, that I want to hear something other than a preaching about my sexuality.

And under the current policy, since there are no “openly gay” members of the military (wink, wink), and the assumption is therefore that everyone is straight, there is absolutely no reason for a chaplain to be “preaching” against homosexuality anyway.

“Southern Baptist leaders have warned their chaplains may have to leave the
military if don’t Ask/Don’t Tell is repealed”


So if you can’t be over there preaching your intolerance, then you don’t think you can be over there making soldiers feel OK about what they are doing? That is weird, man.


Gays are in the military, and always have been.

Always.

During the Revolutionary War, Friedrich Wilhelm Augustin Ludolf Gerhard von Steuben, who was crucial in the modernization of George Washington’s army, stands out.

This statue of Von Steuben by Albert Jaegers is in Lafayette Park in Washington DC.

From Gay Military Signal:

Von Steuben arrived at Valley Forge, that cold winter of 1778, with a young
French nobleman who was his ‘assistant’ and lover. As he spoke almost no
English, Washington assigned two young inseparable officers, who were fluent in
French and were lovers, to work with Von Steuben to translate his work.
They were 20 year old Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Hamilton (who was also likely to have been this nation’s first mixed race officer) and 24 year old Lieutenant
Colonel John Laurens (who was the son of the President of the Continental
Congress that year, Henry Laurens). Laurens later died in battle, becoming
one of America’s first Gay heroes. Their love letters still exist.

So, Southern Baptists, get over it. We were here before you were.

Baptists and Global Warming

March 10, 2008

In a shocking…shocking development …Southern Baptists are urging a fight against global warming.

After years of denial a group has released a declaration, signed by the president of the denomination Frank Page and other natables, including Timothy George of Samford University’s Beeson Divinity School, and heads of other seminaries, that says they have been “too timid” on environmental issues and that the denomination has a biblical duty to stop global warming.

The declaration stated that the Baptists may have been “seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed.” Yes sir, good observation.

Because just last year this was their message: “The Southern Baptist Convention rejected scientific claims that humans are to blame for global warming and dismissed the governmental efforts to reverse it. “

They now seem to be in agreement with Bessemer Opinions that humans have a responsibility to care for God’s creation, as was posted on Earth Day 2007.

Or maybe they read the Bible, rather than just picking and choosing which verses they can use to hurt other people.

At any rate, better late than never, although I imagine many Baptists preachers will “go down ” kicking and screaming over this. Of course, individual churches and pastors are not bound by this declaration anyway.

But it is encouraging. Now if only they will recognize the truth about poverty, gays and lesbians, war and such. For this I am not holding my breath.

That being said, I do have some good friends and in-laws that are Baptists and who are concerned about the environment and climate change, so there is hope.

>Baptists and Global Warming

March 10, 2008

>In a shocking…shocking development …Southern Baptists are urging a fight against global warming.

After years of denial a group has released a declaration, signed by the president of the denomination Frank Page and other natables, including Timothy George of Samford University’s Beeson Divinity School, and heads of other seminaries, that says they have been “too timid” on environmental issues and that the denomination has a biblical duty to stop global warming.

The declaration stated that the Baptists may have been “seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed.” Yes sir, good observation.

Because just last year this was their message: “The Southern Baptist Convention rejected scientific claims that humans are to blame for global warming and dismissed the governmental efforts to reverse it. “

They now seem to be in agreement with Bessemer Opinions that humans have a responsibility to care for God’s creation, as was posted on Earth Day 2007.

Or maybe they read the Bible, rather than just picking and choosing which verses they can use to hurt other people.

At any rate, better late than never, although I imagine many Baptists preachers will “go down ” kicking and screaming over this. Of course, individual churches and pastors are not bound by this declaration anyway.

But it is encouraging. Now if only they will recognize the truth about poverty, gays and lesbians, war and such. For this I am not holding my breath.

That being said, I do have some good friends and in-laws that are Baptists and who are concerned about the environment and climate change, so there is hope.